Reminiscences of Penor Rinpoche's Terrible Tulkus -- Burroughs and Seagal
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:21 pm
Reminiscences of Penor Rinpoche's Terrible Tulkus -- Burroughs and Seagal
by Tara Carreon
6/11/19
Jetsunma was staying at Professor Lin's house in San Francisco just after she had been recognized as a tulku by Penor Rinpoche. Gyatrul Rinpoche set me up. He brought me into the kitchen to meet her. I stuck out my hand to shake hers, saying something like, "Nice to meet you, Catherine Burroughs," at which point she adopted a steely, nasty posture and replied, reciting each word with haughty emphasis -- "My name is - Jetsun - Ahkon - Norbu - Lhamo." She did not take my hand. It was an ugly moment. I replied with a smile, "I think I should go now," and departed. Gyatrul Rinpoche, who knew I could be relied on to voice unfiltered opinions, had obviously set it up to see how I reacted to this charlatan, and confirm what he knew already -- that she was a bottle of Ripple being passed off as fine Bordeaux, and even regular folks could see it. Of course, only I would say it. Penor Rinpoche's first "American tulku" fiasco.
I first heard that Steven Seagal had paid Penor Rinpoche $50,000 for his tulkuhood from some people who were staying at his Lava Lakes Ranch in Mt. Shasta around the time the tulkuhood was happening. I want to make it clear that Buddhists at that time, and as far as I can tell the same is true in the present, were not into gossiping. As an example about the extreme neurosis people had about "gossiping," when Jetsunma came to Tashi Choling, one of her students told me the story about how Jetsunma had taken custody and control over the baby of one of her students. She told it in an awestruck way. That was the first time I had heard the story, and I replied that I thought that was a pretty strange thing for her to do. She went straight to Jetsunma and told her what I had said, and Jetsunma sent back a message that my speech was very harmful to my lama's health. She sent the message through Naomi Mattis (mother of Elizabeth Mattis -- Dzigar Kongtrul's wife) and President of our Los Angeles center (that was based in my house near the beach at 914 Fifth Street in Santa Monica -- now razed and replaced with a condo). Even though Naomi was given to currying favor with the heirarchy and elevating herself, she didn't seem to relish the task of ferrying poison from on high. But Jetsunma was not one to let go of a grudge, and hounded me for a couple of years -- sending messages through go-betweens about my need to purify samaya. A real presumptuous psycho, that woman.
I was the only one I knew who was not into having my speech suppressed, and especially not about things that were happening in the community, and even more about persons who were harmful to the community. To me, gossip is saying untrue, nasty things about people, and spreading these lies around. I had a conversation with Gyatrul Rinpoche about "gossip." He said the injunction against it means, "Only say nice things, like 'Your dress is so pretty.'" I said, "that sounds pretty boring." He just smiled. We loved each other quite a lot.
So when insiders started talking about Steven Seagal having paid $50,000, a ridiculously small amount to pay for the entitlement, like corporate bandits who reap millions in tax breaks by taking Congressmen on a junket to the Bahamas, those insiders were breaking all their usual rules against "gossiping." Obviously, the rumors got back to Penor Rinpoche, which caused him to issue the statement in 1999 that it wasn't really true. But he didn't precisely deny it, so maybe it was. "Neither I nor any of my monasteries have received or sought any sort of substantial donation from him." This begs the question, "What is a 'substantial' donation to you?" If he had really wanted to enlighten us, he could have, should have said, "Anything under $50,000 is not 'substantial' to me." But instead, he left it vague.
This is hardly the speech of someone who values clarity. Like most Tibetan lamas, Penor Rinpoche simply asks us to take his word as law, and leave it at that. (Gyatrul Rinpoche was an exception -- I often disagreed with him, and he never shut me down.) When Penor Rinpoche says, "The first time I recognized a tulku, I was ten years old.... based on my own feelings .... that recognizing him as a tulku will be of benefit to others as well as to the Buddha dharma." His own "feelings"? I think this is a man who values himself too highly. Since when do our "feelings" count overmuch for anything, especially when we are 10 years old, and especially when placing someone in an important social position? Steven Seagal sat on our highest throne, the one Dudjom Rinpoche sat on, with his enormous feet sticking out (shoe size: 14), while Gyatrul Rinpoche sat on a pillow on the floor. And as far as "benefiting others as well as the Buddha dharma" -- is it beneficial to the woman or the dharma when he rapes her? Steven Seagal has been outed as a huge sexual abuser, maybe not on the level of the Sakyong or Sogyal, but in ordinary terms, definitely an abuser.
And as a person who has long seen the deficiencies of the Tibetan lamas' understandings of psychology, and the mind in general, and additionally as a student of media violence, I really objected to his statement that, "Some people think that because Steven Seagal is always acting in violent movies, how can he be a true Buddhist? Such movies are for temporary entertainment and do not relate to what is real and important." Movies definitely do relate to what is real and important, especially in a Buddhist sense, in that violent movies tend to make us more violent. "Thank you Penor Rinpoche for validating all of my ideas of your 'teacher' deficiencies."
by Tara Carreon
6/11/19
Jetsunma was staying at Professor Lin's house in San Francisco just after she had been recognized as a tulku by Penor Rinpoche. Gyatrul Rinpoche set me up. He brought me into the kitchen to meet her. I stuck out my hand to shake hers, saying something like, "Nice to meet you, Catherine Burroughs," at which point she adopted a steely, nasty posture and replied, reciting each word with haughty emphasis -- "My name is - Jetsun - Ahkon - Norbu - Lhamo." She did not take my hand. It was an ugly moment. I replied with a smile, "I think I should go now," and departed. Gyatrul Rinpoche, who knew I could be relied on to voice unfiltered opinions, had obviously set it up to see how I reacted to this charlatan, and confirm what he knew already -- that she was a bottle of Ripple being passed off as fine Bordeaux, and even regular folks could see it. Of course, only I would say it. Penor Rinpoche's first "American tulku" fiasco.
I first heard that Steven Seagal had paid Penor Rinpoche $50,000 for his tulkuhood from some people who were staying at his Lava Lakes Ranch in Mt. Shasta around the time the tulkuhood was happening. I want to make it clear that Buddhists at that time, and as far as I can tell the same is true in the present, were not into gossiping. As an example about the extreme neurosis people had about "gossiping," when Jetsunma came to Tashi Choling, one of her students told me the story about how Jetsunma had taken custody and control over the baby of one of her students. She told it in an awestruck way. That was the first time I had heard the story, and I replied that I thought that was a pretty strange thing for her to do. She went straight to Jetsunma and told her what I had said, and Jetsunma sent back a message that my speech was very harmful to my lama's health. She sent the message through Naomi Mattis (mother of Elizabeth Mattis -- Dzigar Kongtrul's wife) and President of our Los Angeles center (that was based in my house near the beach at 914 Fifth Street in Santa Monica -- now razed and replaced with a condo). Even though Naomi was given to currying favor with the heirarchy and elevating herself, she didn't seem to relish the task of ferrying poison from on high. But Jetsunma was not one to let go of a grudge, and hounded me for a couple of years -- sending messages through go-betweens about my need to purify samaya. A real presumptuous psycho, that woman.
I was the only one I knew who was not into having my speech suppressed, and especially not about things that were happening in the community, and even more about persons who were harmful to the community. To me, gossip is saying untrue, nasty things about people, and spreading these lies around. I had a conversation with Gyatrul Rinpoche about "gossip." He said the injunction against it means, "Only say nice things, like 'Your dress is so pretty.'" I said, "that sounds pretty boring." He just smiled. We loved each other quite a lot.
So when insiders started talking about Steven Seagal having paid $50,000, a ridiculously small amount to pay for the entitlement, like corporate bandits who reap millions in tax breaks by taking Congressmen on a junket to the Bahamas, those insiders were breaking all their usual rules against "gossiping." Obviously, the rumors got back to Penor Rinpoche, which caused him to issue the statement in 1999 that it wasn't really true. But he didn't precisely deny it, so maybe it was. "Neither I nor any of my monasteries have received or sought any sort of substantial donation from him." This begs the question, "What is a 'substantial' donation to you?" If he had really wanted to enlighten us, he could have, should have said, "Anything under $50,000 is not 'substantial' to me." But instead, he left it vague.
This is hardly the speech of someone who values clarity. Like most Tibetan lamas, Penor Rinpoche simply asks us to take his word as law, and leave it at that. (Gyatrul Rinpoche was an exception -- I often disagreed with him, and he never shut me down.) When Penor Rinpoche says, "The first time I recognized a tulku, I was ten years old.... based on my own feelings .... that recognizing him as a tulku will be of benefit to others as well as to the Buddha dharma." His own "feelings"? I think this is a man who values himself too highly. Since when do our "feelings" count overmuch for anything, especially when we are 10 years old, and especially when placing someone in an important social position? Steven Seagal sat on our highest throne, the one Dudjom Rinpoche sat on, with his enormous feet sticking out (shoe size: 14), while Gyatrul Rinpoche sat on a pillow on the floor. And as far as "benefiting others as well as the Buddha dharma" -- is it beneficial to the woman or the dharma when he rapes her? Steven Seagal has been outed as a huge sexual abuser, maybe not on the level of the Sakyong or Sogyal, but in ordinary terms, definitely an abuser.
And as a person who has long seen the deficiencies of the Tibetan lamas' understandings of psychology, and the mind in general, and additionally as a student of media violence, I really objected to his statement that, "Some people think that because Steven Seagal is always acting in violent movies, how can he be a true Buddhist? Such movies are for temporary entertainment and do not relate to what is real and important." Movies definitely do relate to what is real and important, especially in a Buddhist sense, in that violent movies tend to make us more violent. "Thank you Penor Rinpoche for validating all of my ideas of your 'teacher' deficiencies."